Comments on: interesting… http://7fatcow.com/2008/05/20/interesting/ Seven = Sacred. So does fat. Tue, 16 Mar 2010 04:37:50 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3 By: me http://7fatcow.com/2008/05/20/interesting/#comment-25182 me Fri, 23 May 2008 21:28:46 +0000 http://7fatcow.com/2008/05/20/interesting/#comment-25182 uh, maybe that would be too sick to have someone preying on jews directly after such a tragedy. a messianic "figure" sounds twisted. either someone gets it right or they nasty. uh, maybe that would be too sick to have someone preying on jews directly after such a tragedy.

a messianic “figure” sounds twisted.
either someone gets it right or they nasty.

]]> By: Unesane Toikef http://7fatcow.com/2008/05/20/interesting/#comment-25163 Unesane Toikef Wed, 21 May 2008 21:30:49 +0000 http://7fatcow.com/2008/05/20/interesting/#comment-25163 shitalphin goes big time http://mentalblog.com/2008/05/instead-nothing.html shitalphin goes big time
http://mentalblog.com/2008/05/instead-nothing.html

]]> By: shitalphin http://7fatcow.com/2008/05/20/interesting/#comment-25162 shitalphin Wed, 21 May 2008 20:41:33 +0000 http://7fatcow.com/2008/05/20/interesting/#comment-25162 shlomo, ironically since he was a scholar, eradicated the need and esteem for learning that even the besht didn't accomplish. he was a handmaiden of hitler. shlomo, ironically since he was a scholar, eradicated the need and esteem for learning that even the besht didn’t accomplish. he was a handmaiden of hitler.

]]> By: Yhosephus http://7fatcow.com/2008/05/20/interesting/#comment-25158 Yhosephus Wed, 21 May 2008 18:16:59 +0000 http://7fatcow.com/2008/05/20/interesting/#comment-25158 Shlomo criminalized hate and anger in the Jewish messiah. the arizal too? How old is the specific tradition of moshiach being without bad feelings? Shlomo criminalized hate and anger in the Jewish messiah. the arizal too? How old is the specific tradition of moshiach being without bad feelings?

]]> By: Shachar X http://7fatcow.com/2008/05/20/interesting/#comment-25156 Shachar X Wed, 21 May 2008 14:50:47 +0000 http://7fatcow.com/2008/05/20/interesting/#comment-25156 I agree with Josephus. I was ganna say the same thing but he said it first. I agree with Josephus.

I was ganna say the same thing but he said it first.

]]> By: shitalphin http://7fatcow.com/2008/05/20/interesting/#comment-25154 shitalphin Wed, 21 May 2008 11:35:28 +0000 http://7fatcow.com/2008/05/20/interesting/#comment-25154 i think moses led israel out of bondage, at least, that's what my maxwell house hagadah says. i think moses led israel out of bondage, at least, that’s what my maxwell house hagadah says.

]]> By: Yhosephus http://7fatcow.com/2008/05/20/interesting/#comment-25153 Yhosephus Wed, 21 May 2008 08:17:45 +0000 http://7fatcow.com/2008/05/20/interesting/#comment-25153 WTF? Hello, Ben Gurion? That's a pretty successful messianic charachter, inventing new holidays and dissolving the rule of Halacha in judaism. Pretty messianic, if Moshiach is us being as bad/good as der Haillige Germans. The end without end. And if not Ben Gurion, then Shlomo? That might have been kinda different. I think your conceit is that Sabbateanism grew out of disaster, not out of bounty, and I don't think that's nessesarily so. Why does orthodox judaism thrive, for the same reason "chassidut" first did: because of community wealth and comfort, because of successful buisnessman combined with the precedented poverty and sense of potential worldly disaster from failure to impress the Master of the World. or something. But basically, new wealth/security/satisfaction brings messianic innovation, fear of death breeds conservatism. WTF? Hello, Ben Gurion? That’s a pretty successful messianic charachter, inventing new holidays and dissolving the rule of Halacha in judaism. Pretty messianic, if Moshiach is us being as bad/good as der Haillige Germans. The end without end.

And if not Ben Gurion, then Shlomo? That might have been kinda different.

I think your conceit is that Sabbateanism grew out of disaster, not out of bounty, and I don’t think that’s nessesarily so. Why does orthodox judaism thrive, for the same reason “chassidut” first did: because of community wealth and comfort, because of successful buisnessman combined with the precedented poverty and sense of potential worldly disaster from failure to impress the Master of the World. or something.

But basically, new wealth/security/satisfaction brings messianic innovation, fear of death breeds conservatism.

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