ברוך דיין אמת.

# 1 yiush Says:
October 23rd, 2008 at 10:03 am

this is insane

# 2 ZoroIslamoYid Says:
October 23rd, 2008 at 10:33 am

odom ki yomus bo’ohel… lo posak pumey… simchas hatoyreh?! aveylus hatoyreh!

we all mourn moyreynu rabeynu yedideynu.

we love you… forever…

# 3 Shach X Says:
October 23rd, 2008 at 11:14 am

TRAGIC. This must stop!!!

# 4 HSD Says:
October 23rd, 2008 at 11:32 am

I understand why Mohammed has not posted the name.Certainly the person’s family deserves to be respected.I am sitting here biting my nails.

# 5 mohammedk Says:
October 23rd, 2008 at 11:37 am

I was told the family knows already.

# 6 HSD Says:
October 23rd, 2008 at 11:40 am

WHAT !!@#?!

I am shocked ! I am saddened.This is a terrible tragic loss.

Please post information on the funeral when available.

We have been through this way too many times.

# 7 shitalphin Says:
October 23rd, 2008 at 11:47 am

he was in baltimore when he was niftar so it might take some time for the levaya. btw his last name was abraham. i am told he went to learn in beis midrash last night and was found there this morning.

# 8 avrum ehrlich Says:
October 23rd, 2008 at 12:21 pm

a stowaway giant has fallen, kaparas avonoseinu. shoulders on whom we stood to peer at eden are no longer. ny public housing lost its glorious tenant, dignity departed with it. ana”sh is besmitten, the world is lonely, amud ha anan histalka, and israel mourns, oi ma hoya lonu.
boruch dayan emes. Johny Abraham you live in us.

# 9 HSD Says:
October 23rd, 2008 at 12:54 pm

I am lucky to have been able to attend some of the brilliant lectures that Johnny Abraham has given.I even have some on video.Johnny’s legacy and scholarship will live on forever.

# 10 Shach X Says:
October 23rd, 2008 at 1:00 pm

Im postin that Avrum. C U tonight!

# 11 ZoroIslamoYid Says:
October 23rd, 2008 at 1:44 pm

unconfirmed, but heard from D M of BP that it seems there won’t be enough time for today, & that the levayoh will be at shoymrey hadas (38 & 14th) in BP tomorrow.

we should all show up at cholent tonight anyways…

# 12 nisht dere Says:
October 23rd, 2008 at 2:13 pm

i was told that he was found with his head over the gmarah.

may his spirit live within us continuously.

# 13 ZoroIslamoYid Says:
October 23rd, 2008 at 3:22 pm

“we need to relax”….

kvoyd menuchosoy…

OY OY OY JOHNNY!!!!!!!

(heshy’s on his way back)

# 14 mohammedk Says:
October 23rd, 2008 at 3:25 pm

Can someone post his fathers name for mishnayes?

# 15 Jeffrey Says:
October 23rd, 2008 at 4:39 pm

The levaya will be tomorrow morning 9:00 at the Shomerey Hachomos Chappel on Ft Hamilton and 44th st in BP.

# 16 shitalphin Says:
October 23rd, 2008 at 4:40 pm

mk,
ask yitzchok. johnny always called him irv as in glorious irv, breaker of horses.

“FREE AT LAST, FREE AT LAST, THANK GOD ALMIGHTY, I’M FREE AT LAST”

# 17 yoseph leib Says:
October 23rd, 2008 at 4:42 pm

—-
BD”HEmes. Can someone give over Torah in his name? What is Johnny saying?

# 18 a friend Says:
October 23rd, 2008 at 4:43 pm

omg. i can’t believe it. i’m sure he is going to a better place.

how sad for us for such a loss.

# 19 ZoroIslamoYid Says:
October 23rd, 2008 at 4:59 pm

UPDATE: this just in: Levayeh for Rebeynu Yoynoson tomorrow (Friday, 10/24/08) morning 9 AM at Shoymrey Hachoymoys, Fort Hamilton Parkway between 43rd & 44th Streets in Borough Park.

Name of father forthcoming.

# 20 to johnny Says:
October 23rd, 2008 at 6:02 pm

his spirit wanders with the
troubadours of the talmud
he is the lonely ghost
of reason
child of the holocaust
he died the moment
he figured it all out
may god mend his broken heart

and bring him back
so we can appreciate his
smile
once again

# 21 kolbayar Says:
October 23rd, 2008 at 6:03 pm

fathers name: Nochum Eliah

# 22 HSD Says:
October 23rd, 2008 at 6:37 pm

Johnny was a scholar and a very nice guy.Very easy to talk to.He always listened to what people had to say and respected them even if he did not agree with their opinions.
I will miss his sense of humor and his diligent lectures about Ishbitz and many other interesting topics.
I credit Johnny for turning me on to the Ishbitz philosophy which has played a very important part of my life this past year.

I really wish it could have been me that went instead of him.He still had so much to share with the world, and I have no raison d’etre anyways.

# 23 mtc Says:
October 23rd, 2008 at 8:00 pm

boruch dayin h emes
Hashem natan v hashem lukach

# 24 Yumin Says:
October 23rd, 2008 at 9:05 pm

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=32158161863#/group.php?gid=32158161863

# 25 Yumin Says:
October 23rd, 2008 at 9:46 pm

I posted a picture of Jonny in the link above. I am not sure when it was taken exactly, but he seems to be buying it at that time.

# 26 LEAH KLEIM Says:
October 24th, 2008 at 4:16 am

HSD , (Hashem Seeks Death)
Quit wishing it was you. I was there when you OD’d three times in ne night and you lived to not talk about it. G-D wants youaround, someone has to suffer, someone has to be an example. Keep the faith. We will all go soon,(very soon) . Check out “our” track record. We are all doomed and chulent will end. I hate to say this, but the way things are going I think I know who the next one “of us” will be. Its not you. You are to weak and to strong.

# 27 LEAH KLEIM Says:
October 24th, 2008 at 4:18 am

Trach gut vet zain gut until then

# 28 Reb Yakov Leib HaKohain Says:
October 24th, 2008 at 10:24 am

I never knew Johny Abraham, but from the outpouring of love, loss and grief I see here, I now know him to have been a great neshumah.

I will make a 48-hour fast in his memory, beginning sunrise tomorrow, at which time I will also say Kaddish for him.

Yalhak

# 29 magicalworlds Says:
October 24th, 2008 at 1:11 pm

in transit, on route, not actually arriving
until after but you brought a second wind
and shared your cigarettes
that you wore a blue hoodie and called me rebbitzn
that you were unwell, passionate
ah krechtz fun a yiddishe nshumeh
and that we shared in mivtzah scrapple
and we turned your piles of newspapers into a couch
and your despair and your greatness.
and that you understood

# 30 raffi Says:
October 24th, 2008 at 2:53 pm

johny had a brilliant mind and was a very fine person. what a tragic loss

# 31 When Johny did a favor Says:
October 24th, 2008 at 4:11 pm

When Johny did a favor for anybody he would apologize to the person and make the person feel as if they were doing the favor for him.

# 32 HSD Says:
October 24th, 2008 at 6:50 pm

comment # 31 is very true.

# 33 HSD Says:
October 24th, 2008 at 6:59 pm

I have 5 lectures that Johnny Abraham gave last year saved on my computer.The lectures are brilliant!!
3 are a series on antinomianism,1 is about Reb nachman and the Baal Shem tov, and the final one johnny titled “Beshtian paradoxes”.

Some of the videos are 90 minutes long and are very large files and impossible to send via email.
If anyone would like a free copy burnt onto a dvd please email me and I will arrange it.

mo11211@yahoo.com

# 34 yiush Says:
October 25th, 2008 at 11:47 am

“Can someone give over Torah in his name? What is Johnny saying?”

I never attended his gmoro lectures but I did g to a few of his lectures on Chassidus and Talmud.

I remember this: Johny explained that there are two great sins which are at opposite poles but which effect one another: (Anger) murder and sexual sins. The tribe of Yosef was known to be sexually moral but were also known to be loose of temper to the point of that rage leading to murder. Reb Tzadok said that these two sins work hand in hand. Protecting the covenant leads directly to anger and murder. So Hashem forgives more easily the sexual sins, since at least it prevents anger etc…

The torah was a lot deeper with explanations for the talmudic sources brought by Rabienu Tzadok. Perhaps this lecture was video taped.

# 35 mtc Says:
October 25th, 2008 at 8:51 pm

does anyone know when the levaya is in israel? and where ?

# 36 Yumin Says:
October 25th, 2008 at 9:51 pm

The Aron left JFK on ELAL flight 008, Tel Aviv bound. The Flight departed 11:15pm, Oct. 25, will be arriving Oct 26, at Ben Gurion Airport at 3:30pm. And will be going to Derech Beit Shemesh Cemetery, which is in Beit Shemesh. Any Further info, will be posted.

P.S. Kaddish has been said at the airport by Rabbi Ephraim Nussbaum Shelita, a long time friend from Telz.

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=32158161863#/group.php?gid=32158161863

# 37 Yitzchak Says:
October 26th, 2008 at 10:00 am

Flight seems to have arrived at 3:32 local time.
It usually takes 2 hours to reach the Bais Hachayim.
The name of the Chevra Kadisha is Eretz Hachayim and their phone in Israel is 02-999-7526.
There is a chapel there and the plan is to have a Hesped or two.

(One of the family members can be reached at 52-346-2948)

# 38 שמעון גריידי Says:
October 27th, 2008 at 12:51 am

בלי נדר באהבה לרבינו זצוק”ל
im doing now Shiur on the Parasha 430pm every Shabat לעילוי נשמתו we did it last shabes for the first time
120 w76 st. WSIS 430PM, בית כנסת תפארת ישראל

# 39 שמעון גריידי Says:
October 27th, 2008 at 1:12 am

after the shiur will pray mincha and then nice meal for Seuda Shlishit all invited
347-6234511 Shul 120 w76 WSIS תפארת ישראל Tiferet Israel

# 40 שמעון גריידי Says:
October 27th, 2008 at 12:57 pm

בלי נדר באהבה לרבינו יהונתן בנימין אברהם זצוק”ל
im doing now Shiur on the Parasha 430pm every Shabat לעילוי נשמתו we did it last shabes for the first time
120 w76 st. WSIS 430PM, בית כנסת תפארת ישראל

after the shiur will pray mincha and then very nice meal for Seuda Shlishit all invited
347-6234511

# 41 atgate231 Says:
October 27th, 2008 at 1:25 pm

Yiush,

I was watching the video of that shiur last night…he said then that his project is to show the conservatism among Chasidism and the radicalism among the Misnagdim…

He also said in regard to sins of “murderousness” and anger vs. sins of love that you can begin serving god through sins of love but not through sins of anger and murderousness…

# 42 talmid Says:
October 27th, 2008 at 3:41 pm

I miss you johnny, i do, i really do, not used to such loss. it really sucks

# 43 ZoroIslamoYid Says:
October 27th, 2008 at 7:13 pm

the shiur atgate & i saw covered reb tzodoyk & the nefesh hachayim on sin (this seems to be the end of the shiur). HSD, is this one of the shiurim you taped too?

i also have some footage of johnny at the end of the purim party last year at the door.

i also may have footage of another thursday night shiur, & some footage of one of his wednesday night gemoroh shiurim.

there may be more somewhere in the footage.

oy yoy yoy

# 44 ZoroIslamoYid Says:
October 27th, 2008 at 7:53 pm

i also have the lavayeh on film (hespeydim, carrying the aron) & will make it available as soon as i get it transferred to digital.

# 45 ZoroIslamoYid Says:
October 27th, 2008 at 8:11 pm

heard that yehuda levine (one of the maspidim) spoke on his radio show radio thursday night about johnny. the website of his radio show ( http://www.thefearkashes.com/ ) does not have this show uploaded. did anyone hear it?

# 46 HSD Says:
October 28th, 2008 at 12:40 am

I am becoming overwhelmed by requests to make copies of Johnny’s lectures onto dvd.

I will make one for free for everyone who wants, but because it is difficult for me to meet everyone individually , I think I will bring a stack of them to cholent on thursday night and distribute them.

To Zoro= I am not sure if the lectures I video taped are the same ones that you saw.In one of the lectures I have Johnny does go into a long discussion about Rav Tzaddok.

# 47 mohammedk Says:
October 28th, 2008 at 7:56 am

“He also said in regard to sins of “murderousness” and anger vs. sins of love that you can begin serving god through sins of love but not through sins of anger and murderousness”

Atgate
I had a running argument with him about this and similar topics for years. Farshteyt zich now he sees that I’m right.

# 48 ashira Says:
October 28th, 2008 at 1:57 pm

terribly sorry to hear this about Johnny… don’t even know what to say….

# 49 Yiush Says:
October 28th, 2008 at 2:13 pm

Avremel Kevelevitch (is that his name) mentioned in his hesped that the last time he spoke to Johny, erev yom kippur, they were discussing an Ishbitzer torah. Kevelevitch did not mention which Ishbitz shtickel it was and I would be interested to know…

# 50 Yiush Says:
October 28th, 2008 at 2:19 pm

if there be a heaven and there be a God then Jhony is up there, in the bes din shel mailoh, debunking every horrid Jewish theory which Mohammed has ever held and ever will hold

# 51 ZoroIslamoYid Says:
October 28th, 2008 at 3:10 pm

SHIVAH is at his father’s house in BP, 5001 14th Ave. #6D (4th floor) until 11PM. They are standing up Thursday morning, so tomorrow (Wednesday) night is the last night. Everyone do go. The family really appreciates hearing about him. They seem to not have had a full scope of who Johnny really was, especially his tzidkus. During the hespeydim they made a big fuss about his toyreh learning, but he was much much more.

Remebering the first time I saw him: Fall of 1997 at Columbia University, Altshuler Auditorium in SIPA. George Steiner is lecturing on “3 Pamphlets about the Jews” which included Marx’ famous essay about the God of the Jews: money. After the lecture, a man with a short black beard go over to Steiner and makes a comment to him. Steiner replies briefly and leaves. Johnny, still standing in the front on the right side of the stage, starts discussing with a couple of people around him. Others join and a tight circle forms around him. He is now gesticulating with raised hands and forceful voice. Seeing this from afar, I recognize that this must be a yeshivah guy who is being mifalpel as if standing in middle of Lakewood beis medresh. It was not long thereafter that I met him at Pearl Gluck’s Chanukah party in Battery Park City & at Stuwy Wax’ shabaton on the UWS. Before long we were hanging out in the VIllage (in the cafe above Comedy Celler on McDougal) and other places (e.g. Hungarian Pastery Shop, where he is a legend, although the shmuks there kicked him out!). With Corporate Raider, we all hung out together in memorable ways. Then there was Rainbow 1999 in PA, and other mesiboys, especially in homes (Rivkah’s, Anna’s). Then there was Church Ave. Kensington, where he farbrenged days upon days long - mamesh a ma’ayon hamisgabeyr. Even at Kings Highway he would go on, though by now he was more insular. This too was when the shiurim started in full force, gemoroh bobo kamo etc. - who could forget???, rabi alufi umyudoi….

There were other facets too: his knowledge of “mayrov kultur” was lehaflee, both philosophy and literature, the classics to the moderns, with copious recall of the loshoyn. A daykon nifloh. But above all, a heart bigger than his head. - As he used to be meshabeyach Reb Chayim Brisker for his tzidkus more than his learning.

The last time we spoke was around 2 months ago on the UWS, He was carrying a gemoroh and we stopped to speak for over an hour. Amongst other things, he probed into history and psyche of the ba’al Sheridey Aysh, both in methodology and relations with other gedoylim. We also touched on Rab Hutner and some other related subjects. When a collection of letters between Rav Hutner and the Lubavitcher Rebbe was published a few weeks ago in Kfar Chabad magazine, I meant to get a hold of him to show him. At one point around then , when I was at M.’s, he told me that Johnny wa just there & left. Where from & where to not one knew, for at the end his ongoings were mysterious: no phone number, no address. He seemed to have a premonition that he no longer belongs to/in this world.

Still, if only Johnny was still here….

Who is going to shivah tonight? Tomorrow night?

# 52 shitalphin Says:
October 29th, 2008 at 8:12 am

i think we should have a seance to contact johnny.

# 53 ZoroIslamoYId Says:
October 29th, 2008 at 11:19 am

your apt. is most apt for this, vd”l. coming over soon.

# 54 yiush Says:
October 29th, 2008 at 11:45 am

The rabbits are in direct communication with Johny. Shitalphin, do you still have the silver foil hat which holds the lit candle? I have some bones… Anybody know a Yidonite?

# 55 yiush Says:
October 29th, 2008 at 12:18 pm

2 memories

The first time I met Johny was at Pearl Gluck’s ex-o gathering in Batter Park which brought together for the first time ex-chabadniks, ex-satmar and ex-litvaks. I was so baked I didn’t know where I was and turned to the lubav sitting next to me and with whom I arrived, and asked in Yiddish “vus tit zich du. vus ti ich du?” the guy on my other side replied in Yiddish. That guy was Johny. We spoke then for three hours straight…

Later on we were going to come out with a magazine called “ailanthus”. (I still have some of the copy written for that “magazine” which never got published.) We had a few meetings about it and Johny was always there and his main point at every meeting was that “the most important thing is that we have to have a lot of meetings… we have to have a lot of meetings…” and so we did.

# 56 shitalphin Says:
October 29th, 2008 at 12:19 pm

i have his winter coat with pocketfuls of tissues. forget his notebooks collect his tissues that’s where his chochma lies.

# 57 ZoroIslamoYid Says:
October 29th, 2008 at 3:12 pm

When Johnny would speak passionately (when did he not?) about the mysterious Shoshani, I had a sense that he identified himself with him most.

Even when he spoke about death (his own, or philosophically) it was with such LIFE.

RITCHA d’oyrayso.

Shtendik gelebt mit HOROVANOYA. not only learning.

Going to shiveh soon. Last night of shiveh.

# 58 נושא כליו Says:
October 30th, 2008 at 4:57 pm

אם יאוש -מעונין להתקשר אלי
יפנה ל מ י להשיג מספרי או הכתובת

# 59 shitalphin Says:
October 30th, 2008 at 6:06 pm

one of johnny’s heroes:
The Man Without Qualities brought Musil only mediocre commercial success. Though he was nominated for the Nobel Prize, he felt he did not receive the recognition he deserved. He sometimes expressed annoyance at the success of more famous colleagues like Thomas Mann (or Hermann Broch) who admired his work deeply, and moved by his material poverty, tried to shield him against quotidian worries and encouraged him to further his literary work, even though Musil was initially critical of Mann.

The last years of Musil’s life were dominated by Nazism and World War II; the Nazis banned his books. He saw early Nazism first-hand during 1931-1933 in a stay in Berlin, and later, when Austria became a part of the Third Reich in 1938, Musil left for exile in Switzerland, where he died of a stroke on April 15, 1942. Musil collapsed in the middle of his gymnastic exercises and according to legend died with an expression of ironic amusement on his face. He was 61. There were only eight people present at his funeral.

# 60 Reb Yakov Leib HaKohain Says:
October 30th, 2008 at 6:16 pm

zoro,

Check where you recently left me a message for my reply. And thanks for the birthday greeting. I hope you can make the party.

Yalhak

# 61 ZoroIslamoYId Says:
October 31st, 2008 at 11:35 am

Yes, Musil was up there on his list, even more than Elias Canetti. (With Johnny’s approval, I got H. in Thailand the new 2 vol. translation that came out around 10 years ago.) The opening few pages are classic in its convergence of keen analysis of place, time & character.

Another hero of Johnny’s was Michah Yosef Berdichevsky: his tormented life, hapless love-life, academic struggles & his writings, especially his “Sefer HaChasidim” which is a yekar hametzius. (I don’t think even JTS has an original copy, only a photostat one.) But above all, he identified with Berdichevsky’s constant conflict between the traditional & the modern, the frum & secular, Volozhin & University. & he continued extolling chasidim throughout.

[YL, I’ll check it out now.]

# 62 ZoroIslamoYId Says:
October 31st, 2008 at 12:31 pm

Wiki on Berdichevsky (with picture):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micha_Josef_Berdyczewski

Wiki on Shoshani:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monsieur_Chouchani

Wiki on Musil:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Musil

Wiki on Canetti:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elias_Canetti

# 63 atgate231 Says:
October 31st, 2008 at 2:20 pm

And let’s not forget Shams…

Here are two poems from Rumi’s Divan-e Shams-e Tabrizi:

165
To this world you have brought the fragrance
Yet perfume you have hidden from appearance
A million excitements this aroma belies
That you have thrown upon the earth and the skies.
From thy own radiant light and heat
You have set fire to the mind and soul’s seat
From taking thy life-giving jewel
The mine and the ocean have lost their cool.
Millions of souls with radiant faces
Have been confined to dark spaces.
You take the certainty of fools
And give them doubt with mental tools.
They ply themselves with their own hand
And with sweetness take a bloody stand.
The heartful find their hearts broken
The heartless with cries of alas are woken.
Shams-e Tabrizi from thy kindness
To lovers have given this madness.

155
O God, give the players sweetness and weal
And for the tabbla, give them hands of steel.
For their love, they sacrifice every limb
Of limbs O God, please give them a great deal.
These messengers of love filled our ears
Grant them seeing eyes and thy Royal Seal.
These lovebirds sing and cry out their love
Grace them with the patience that would heal.
In thy praise, they have filled many ears
You too praise their praise and their zeal.
They quenched the thirst of heart’s flower
Let the full moon in their skies reel and wheel.
I am silent, please speak to me thy will
For they say you give thus, and thus steal.
O God, all I ask for in both worlds
Like Shams, let me shine, be and feel.

http://www.rumionfire.com/shams/index.htm

# 64 shitalphin Says:
October 31st, 2008 at 5:52 pm

atgate,
wtf?

# 65 atgate231 Says:
October 31st, 2008 at 7:16 pm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shams_Tabrizi

# 66 Radha Says:
October 31st, 2008 at 7:44 pm

its true- no one loved shams more than moyraynu

# 67 yiush Says:
October 31st, 2008 at 9:04 pm

“its true- no one loved shams more than moyraynu”

“moyreynu”. It’s now official. We needed a rebbe. but a dead rebbe so soon? The sanctification has begun

# 68 yiush Says:
October 31st, 2008 at 9:21 pm

I spoke to a few people who claim that Johny is communicating with them. At the levaya, one guy was walking around saying “he’s not dead, he’s not dead; Johny’s not dead”

So we may even have a new meshichist movement..

# 69 yiush Says:
October 31st, 2008 at 9:27 pm

Does anybody know if “Waiting for Rabeinu Tam” - the epic poem which Johny wrote, and for which I am told he won a prize at Brooklyn College - is still in existence?

# 70 ZoroIslamoYid Says:
October 31st, 2008 at 9:27 pm

chevereh hubn arayngekikt in dem uroyn vayl m’hut nisht gegloybt, v’d”l

# 71 ZoroIslamoYid Says:
October 31st, 2008 at 9:33 pm

Another “riz” (kilshoynoy) on Johnny’s pantheon was Rav Gedalyah Nidal of Bney Brak, student of the Chazoyn Ish and an original thinker in the chareydi velt (re science, philosophy etc.). Many of the writers on “Atzkach” (”Atzor Kan Choshvim”) on “Hyde Park” are his followers. In fact, Johnny wrote there too for a while. (He told me once his tag name.) Although Johnny’s own view were not necessarily on the same page as his, he still respected Gedalyah’s relative honesty, humility, mentshlichkayt, and courage to question and probe.

A discussion of Rav Gedalyah is worthy of its own thread.

# 72 shitalphin Says:
November 1st, 2008 at 9:10 am

atgate,
i thought you were saying johnny was into rumi. we should also resurrect the memories of howard press and emile d’antonio.

# 73 yiush Says:
November 1st, 2008 at 10:44 am

Another riz in the mythos of Jhony: Don Mattingly

# 74 shitalphin Says:
November 1st, 2008 at 1:52 pm

BERNIE WILLIAMS.

# 75 Yumin Says:
November 2nd, 2008 at 7:53 pm

A new website called Rebjohnny.com has been created in dedication of Reb Johnny Z”L http://rebjohnny.com/

# 76 ZoroIslamoYId Says:
November 3rd, 2008 at 5:40 pm

Yasher koyech! may this be a mazkeres netzach.

To be mamshich, here is the sugyeh that niftar was found on, Tokfo Kohen (Bobo Metzioh daf 6). (To note ha was both a koyheyn & a bkhoyr):

בעי ר’ זירא תקפה אחד בפנינו מהו היכי דמי אי דשתיק אודויי אודי ליה ואי דקא צווח מאי הוה ליה למעבד לא צריכא דשתיק מעיקרא והדר צווח מאי מדאשתיק אודויי אודי ליה או דלמא כיון דקא צווח השתא איגלאי מילתא דהאי דשתיק מעיקרא סבר הא קא חזו ליה רבנן אמר רב נחמן ת”ש בד”א ששניהם אדוקין בה אבל היתה טלית יוצאת מתחת ידו של אחד מהן המוציא מחבירו עליו הראיה היכי דמי אי נימא כדקתני פשיטא אלא שתקפה אחד בפנינו לא הכא במאי עסקינן כגון דאתו לקמן כדתפיסו לה תרוייהו ואמרינן להו זילו פלוגו ונפקו והדר אתו כי תפיס לה חד מינייהו האי אמר אודויי אודי לי והאי אמר בדמי אגרתי ניהליה דאמרינן ליה עד השתא חשדת ליה בגזלן והשתא מוגרת ליה בלא סהדי ואיבעית אימא כדקתני דאתו לקמן כי תפיס לה חד מינייהו ואידך מסרך בה סרוכי ואפילו לסומכוס דאמר ממון המוטל בספק חולקין בלא שבועה מודה סומכוס דסרכא לאו כלום היא אם תמצי לומר תקפה אחד בפנינו מוציאין אותה מידו הקדישה אינה מקודשת אם תמצי לומר תקפה אחד בפנינו אין מוציאין אותה מידו הקדישה בלא תקפה מהו כיון דאמר מר אמירתו לגבוה כמסירתו להדיוט דמי כמאן דתקפה דמי או דלמא השתא מיהא הא לא תקפה וכתיב (ויקרא כז) ואיש כי יקדיש את ביתו קדש וגו’ מה ביתו ברשותו אף כל ברשותו לאפוקי האי דלא ברשותו ת”ש דההיא
מסותא דהוו מנצו עלה בי תרי האי אמר דידי הוא והאי אמר דידי הוא קם חד מינייהו אקדשה פרשי מינה רב חנניה ורב אושעיא וכולהו רבנן וא”ל רב אושעיא לרבה כי אזלת קמיה דרב חסדא לכפרי בעי מיניה כי אתא לסורא א”ל רב המנונא מתני’ היא ספק בכורות אחד בכור אדם ואחד בכור בהמה בין טהורים בין טמאים המוציא מחבירו עליו הראיה ותני עלה אסורים בגיזה ובעבודה והא הכא דאמר תקפו כהן אין מוציאין אותו מידו דקתני המע”ה וכי לא תקפו אסורין בגיזה ובעבודה אמר ליה רבה קדושת בכור קאמרת לעולם אימא לך תקפו כהן מוציאין אותו מידו ואפילו הכי אסורים בגיזה ובעבודה דקדושה הבאה מאליה שאני אמר ליה רב חנניה לרבה תניא דמסייע לך הספיקות נכנסין לדיר להתעשר ואי ס”ד תקפו כהן אין מוציאין אותו מידו אמאי נכנסין לדיר נמצא זה פוטר ממונו בממונו של כהן אמר ליה אביי אי משום הא לא תסייעיה למר הכא במאי עסקינן כגון דלית ליה אלא תשעה והוא דמה נפשך אי בר חיובא הוא שפיר קא מעשר אי לאו בר חיובא הוא תשעה לאו בר עשורי נינהו הדר אמר אביי לאו מילתא היא דאמרי דספיקא לאו בר עשורי היא דתנן קפץ אחד מן המנויין לתוכן כולן פטורין ואי ס”ד ספיקא בעי עשורי לעשר ממה נפשך דאי בר חיובא הוא שפיר מעשר ואי לאו בר חיובא הוא נפטר במנין הראוי דאמר רבא מנין הראוי פוטר
אלא מאי אית לך למימר עשירי ודאי אמר רחמנא ולא עשירי ספק הכא נמי עשירי ודאי אמר רחמנא ולא עשירי ספק א”ל רב אחא מדפתי לרבינא מאי ספיקות אילימא ספק בכורות (ויקרא כז) יהיה קדש אמר רחמנא ולא שכבר קדוש אלא ספק פדיון פטר חמור וכדרב נחמן דאמר רב נחמן אמר רבה בר אבוה ישראל שיש לו עשרה ספק פטרי חמור בתוך ביתו מפריש עליהן עשרה שיין ומעשרן והן שלו מאי הוי עלה דמסותא

Ambe we should make a shiur & learn this sugyeh.

# 77 First Draft of BIO of Reb Yoinoson | RebJohnny.com Says:
November 8th, 2008 at 7:18 pm

[…] best understand his demeanor we can use a quote from one of the commenter’s on 7fatcow that on some level Johnny considered himself to be comparable to the mysterious Monsieur […]

# 78 atgate231 Says:
November 15th, 2008 at 3:39 pm

According to MZ, another figure Johnny used to talk about with great passion was “the fabulous Dr. Sonne” aka - Avraham Ben Yitzhak:

http://www.waz.easynet.co.uk/aby/life.html

http://www.jewishmag.com/118mag/avrahambenyitzhak/avrahambenyitzhak.htm

# 79 atgate231 Says:
November 15th, 2008 at 4:04 pm

An English translation of Avraham Ben Yitzhak’s poem Blessed Are They Who Sow and Do Not Reap:

Blessed are they who sow and do not reap -
they shall wander in extremity.

Blessed are the generous
whose glory in youth has enhanced the extravagant
brightness of days -
who shed their accoutrements at the crossroads.

Blessed are the proud whose pride overflows
The banks of their souls
to become the modesty of whiteness
in the wake of a rainbow’s ascent through a cloud.

Blessed are they who know
their hearts will cry out from the wilderness
and that quiet will blossom from their lips.

Blessed are these
for they will be gathered to the heart of the world,
wrapped in the mantle of oblivion
- their destiny’s offering unuttered to the end.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eejh/message/25320

# 80 kolbayar Says:
November 17th, 2008 at 11:32 am

And this is a chassidishe maaseh that johny like very much:

כאשר הגאון הקדוש רבי צבי אלימלך מדינוב (בני יששכר) בזידיטשוב העלו הל השולחן תפוחי אדמה שהיה אצלם כמעט אוכל חדש, שהיה זה בהתחלה, כשבא המאכל למדינתם. ולא רצה הרב הקדוש מדינוב לאכול. ואמר לו מחותנו רבינו צבי: שיאכל כי המאכל הזה יוצרך בעולם, גם במדינתינו, וכמו כן בני אדם יתפרנסו מזה.ועתה אנו רואים שדבריו נתקיימו

# 81 ZoroIslamoYId Says:
November 17th, 2008 at 4:02 pm

he also would repeat the story in “eser kedushoys” about the choyzeh & making kidush levonoh from out his window, that not that the eybeshter truned his house to face the moon, but he turned the whole universe around just so the levonoh should face him.

# 82 ZoroIslamoYId Says:
November 17th, 2008 at 4:08 pm

yes, Dr. Sonne was mentioned by johnny kamoh peomim.

another hero of his, albeit fictional, is “chaim gravitzer” from fishel shneersohn’s novel. he especially loved CG’s outburst about the cantonistn. it seems that johnny identified himself with this quintessential noyfel in an existential way. more than once he would repeat some of the outbursts of CG as described in the novel.

when johnny found out that i was translating the novel, he would encourage me over & over, & once or twice i asked him for his advice on how to translate a certain word or phrase. he truly captured the spirit of the work.

# 83 kolbayar Says:
November 17th, 2008 at 6:03 pm

even better than the eybishter, it was tzvi hirsch zhidachover, on whom choyze said that the oylom should not think that he merely turned the wall of beis medrash….

In that spirit, does anyone here share with me the hargoshe of how prost kleinkepedik the site rebjohny is? In their ungarishe-balabatishe hasogese these prost yungerleit think that johny’s gadlus or even an achas meshishim mimeno is nitfas in his posts on atkach and so on, while to anyone (of us) who knew him , it is clear that all that is just but psolyles, thrown kelachar yad to the chitzoynim. His real avoydah and gadlus hamoychin was seen elswhere. With one minute of making hachones, johny peyeled ten thousand times more that any balhabos that egotrips about some stuff he chazered iber on atzkach and spills his kinderishe hispaylus on rebjohny.com will ever be able to begin to think about understanding.

Is this poshut to everyone here?

# 84 Charlie Says:
November 18th, 2008 at 11:13 am

To kolbayar

As Johnny would often say ” The main thing is to bash everyone else”.

Halevai, one day I would dergraich(reach) the madreiga of ungarish-balabatish, I work on it every day, with limited success. BTW, Johnny didn’t shtam from Grodno or Liadi. Neither did the Tolchaver Rov.

In point of fact, I am so kleinkepeldig, that I have no hasogos of moichin d’gadlin, which you and your pals seem to have attained with so much as breaking a sweat.

Yes, there are guzmaos on rebjohnny.com, it is open to kol boei olam. Do you suggest we give everyone who posts there (or here) an elitist test, that only you could devise?

You seem to be a product of very superior genetic combination plus the world’s greatest ideological/education system. Not all of us have that advantage, we have not accomplished as much with these advantages as you have.

Kolbayar, I don’t know who you are. As they say on the Sopranos ” widaldoorespec”

Don’t worry, it’s poshut to everyone here.

Signed
Psoyles Lover

# 85 kolbayar Says:
November 18th, 2008 at 1:05 pm

Charlie,
I didn’t at all mean to offend you. I wasn’t talking to you or about you. That’s why I posted here, not there. The rebjohny site is very good. Shkoyach! Every bais medrash has a shprach and i was speaking in a shprach that could be understood in our bais medrash, not yours. I expressed the hargoshe that was muzkar in conversations with etliche johhny’s chaverim kamo ukamo peomim outside of this forum.

# 86 Charlie Says:
November 18th, 2008 at 6:37 pm

כי עמך הסליחה

First of all, a thousand pardons, I was much too hasty, you were much too generous.

My real motivation was לאפוקי a sentiment which I’m not happy to see emerge: That there’s farhan my Johnny, your Johnny, unzere Johnny, their Johnny, un azoi veiter.

Johnny was very brait, we all agree. So even though everybody took from him what they wanted and needed, he was כוללם יחד .

What remains implicit is another idea that I have great sympathy towards. The site paints a one-dimensional picture of Johnny, not his struggles and matzovim. Hagam it is very hard to put something like that together, I’m sure rebjohnny.com or this site is more than ready to post such insights.

Ver s’yuch’olt, zol es tun.

# 87 ZoroIslamoYid Says:
November 18th, 2008 at 9:54 pm

gevald! it’s not even shloyshim & we already have different johnny krayzn! only proves ever more what a riz he was, ala r’ akiveh.

the fact is, unless kol bayar can verify otherwise, that especially within the last year johnny became more conservative, both ideologically & in practice, as the more frume chaveyrim of his say. please clarify if this is true KB, for if not, he played the penultimate platonic “truth or dare” game like an emeser philosopher-king.

# 88 FartzatisheYid Says:
November 24th, 2008 at 8:14 am

I would like to know,around two and half months ago,i brought up the new York yankees,to Johnny.He spoke about it for a couple of seconds and then nicely shrugged of speaking about the subject at all.
It was extremely odd,knowing that it was one of his most favorite topics to discuss,and would “always” discuss them at length.
Did anyone else have such an experience or similar,and if yes, please explain why, I would very much like to know? i could not make sense of it at the time.

# 89 yiush Says:
November 24th, 2008 at 1:26 pm

FartzatisheYid:

wtf’s the big deal. he wasn’t in the mood to speak of the Yankees. jesus fucking christ, this deification of Johnny, with every word he uttered or did not utter, is getting out of hand.

# 90 FartzatisheYid Says:
November 24th, 2008 at 3:31 pm

yiush- I appreciate your response thank you.
Sorry,my intention of this question was not to spill out your frustration on the idolizing johhny factor,in which i agree with you is getting a bit out of hand.

# 91 outraged Says:
November 24th, 2008 at 4:36 pm

fartzatisheh yiush-

johnny was the most colorful character a lot of us will ever get to meet- and sure was the most fascinating human- a living paradox in many ways- i have ever met.

whether i like it or not- it seems like he will be on my mind for at least a long while to come.

i consider myself fortunate to have known him- and to - now- think and reflect upon him and his life- its really just another oppurtunity for a thinking observing man to get to know his universe better.

besides, he was gods gift to me- i intend to hold on to that gift as long as i can

yeah- shicas chulin shel T”C zerichim limud! hail Jonathan! tosca!

if you guys would rather move on to the next party, the next angry fix or talk about the goddamn fucking yankees- have fun- but please lighten up.

as for me, i shall find 10 virgins with 13 rose peddles on their head who will climb with me up the seforim shafeh and whisper with me long live Jo nathan!

# 92 Black Friday Deals Says:
November 27th, 2008 at 2:53 pm

We always hold hands. If I let go, she shops. -Henny Youngman :o) Happy Holidays!…

# 93 zoroastroyid Says:
December 8th, 2008 at 10:03 pm

I recently found Reb Gidalyah Nidal’s sefer “BiToroso seh Reb Gedaliyah” online here:
http://seri-levi.com/shl/nadel.pdf

Does anyone know if Johnny saw this sefer & if he used any of the ideas in his shiurim?

PS: Reb Gedaliyah’s Hebrew Wiki entry here:
http://he.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D7%92%D7%93%D7%9C%D7%99%D7%94_%D7%A0%D7%93%D7%9C

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